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I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the differnce is between Comfort mode and Sport mode and Winter and Sport mode.

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Re: Comfort/Sport mode (Winter/Sport mode)

syracusea;186329 wrote:
I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the differnce is between Comfort mode and Sport mode and Winter and Sport mode.

My unofficial definition is that Sport v Comfort modes involve a tightening or loosening of the car's suspension, whereas the Winter v Summer modes will cause the car to start off in second gear in Winter mode so as not to break traction on snow or ice.

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Re: Comfort/Sport mode (Winter/Sport mode)

The other day I went to the dealer to get my car servicd and I was loand a C300. When I started the car, the car was in Comfort mode and i swiched it to Sport mode. When I went out later that night i started the car agean and I noticed that the car was in Comfort mode.

My car doesnt do that. It starts with the last mode that it was swiched to.

Is this something new? That all new MB's start in comfort Mode or is it a defect?

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I would hope it's a defect or that there is an adjustment you aren't aware of. If one likes to drive in sport mode, one probably wants the car to operate that way all the time. It would be a real pain to have to adjust the suspension every time you get in the car. The last setting should be the default setting as it is in my car too.

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Re: Comfort/Sport mode (Winter/Sport mode)

Would the owners manual have information pertaining to this issue?

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Would the owners manual have information pertaining to this issue?

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It should...

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Re: Comfort/Sport mode (Winter/Sport mode)

It says in the manual that it is the last setting that was pushed. But since it is a loner car they dont give you a manual and its annoying. I just went to get in the car and drive. I dont want to be botherd pushing buttons. Unless its the radio.

I hope its a defect. I was looking at other posts and someone had a GLK loner and he had the same issue. Next time the car goes in for servesing and I have a loner car with this problem I will ask the service guy about it.

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Re: Comfort/Sport mode (Winter/Sport mode)

Syracusea, as we have discussed I had a CLK loaner that also defaulted to Comfort. I suspect it's the dealer preference for the loaners.

Comfort mode starts the car in 2nd gear like the older Benzes always did anyhow. Sport starts in 1st. Also the transmission will downshift easier in sport than it will in comfort (it smoothes out driving) and it may be my imagination but in sport, when I really cane the throttle I think it will hold a downshift between throttle engagements.

As for suspension settings I know my CLK has none, and even on the E500's of that same timeframe (2005) the suspension stiffening was a separate button with 2 firmness modes. I think the newer models may have the suspension involved as well but I dont recall off the top of my head.

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Syracusea, as we have discussed I had a CLK loaner that also defaulted to Comfort. I suspect it's the dealer preference for the loaners.

Comfort mode starts the car in 2nd gear like the older Benzes always did anyhow. Sport starts in 1st. Also the transmission will downshift easier in sport than it will in comfort (it smoothes out driving) and it may be my imagination but in sport, when I really cane the throttle I think it will hold a downshift between throttle engagements.

As for suspension settings I know my CLK has none, and even on the E500's of that same timeframe (2005) the suspension stiffening was a separate button with 2 firmness modes. I think the newer models may have the suspension involved as well but I dont recall off the top of my head.

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That is an interesting idea that the dealer has it automaticly set up like that. Or maybe it is a defect that the dealers havent noticed. Anyway next time I bring my car in for service I will ask about that. It is annoying to just press the button for sport mode when the car is defaulted to comfort mode. But that is just me.

Corect me if I am wrong isnt Comfort mode soposed to be meant for when there is ice/snow on the ground? To help you get better traction. And Sport mode is meant for everyday driving?

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syracusea;188929 wrote:
That is an interesting idea that the dealer has it automaticly set up like that. Or maybe it is a defect that the dealers havent noticed. Anyway next time I bring my car in for service I will ask about that. It is annoying to just press the button for sport mode when the car is defaulted to comfort mode. But that is just me.

Corect me if I am wrong isnt Comfort mode soposed to be meant for when there is ice/snow on the ground? To help you get better traction. And Sport mode is meant for everyday driving?

You're confusing two different systems: There is a suspension adjustment button on the dash that gives three different levels of ride--stiff, medium, and comfort. And there is a button on your center counsel transmission for Winter and Summer, which start you in second gear in Winter and first gear for summer. One is a suspension setting and the other is a transmission setting.

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"You're confusing two different systems: There is a suspension adjustment button on the dash that gives three different levels of ride--stiff, medium, and comfort. And there is a button on your center counsel transmission for Winter and Summer, which start you in second gear in Winter and first gear for summer. One is a suspension setting and the other is a transmission setting."

Ok now I am really lost. Sorry. The suspension adjustment button on the dash is the ESP?

But what I am talking about is Comfort and Sport mode. (or in older cars Winter/Sport mode.)

Comfort (winter) mode is meant for driving in snow and icey roads and Sport mode is meant for every day driving. Am I correct?

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syracusea;188933 wrote:
"You're confusing two different systems: There is a suspension adjustment button on the dash that gives three different levels of ride--stiff, medium, and comfort. And there is a button on your center counsel transmission for Winter and Summer, which start you in second gear in Winter and first gear for summer. One is a suspension setting and the other is a transmission setting."

Ok now I am really lost. Sorry. The suspension adjustment button on the dash is the ESP?

But what I am talking about is Comfort and Sport mode. (or in older cars Winter/Sport mode.)

Comfort (winter) mode is meant for driving in snow and icey roads and Sport mode is meant for every day driving. Am I correct?

Don't know where your C and E buttons are located, but mine are on the dash (3-position suspension/ride setting--soft/medium/stiff) and the transmission (2-position Winter and Summer settings) that control the transmission. They are two totally different systems and should not be confused.

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I dont think I have C and E buttons.

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Re: Comfort/Sport mode (Winter/Sport mode)

Look at it from the perspective of the "owner" (Dealership)...
They're "giving/loaning" their vehicle, which will, eventually, end up back out on the lot, where another customer may buy it.

Now, they "loan it out" to some 30-40ish guy that mashes the stuffings out of the pedal 'cause they left it in "SPORT" mode.

Or, conversersely, they leave it in "COMFORT" mode and the same guy is a dingle-berry doophus that can't figure out the buttons, let alone read a manual, and he's too full of himself to ask the service manager what all the shiney knobs are for.

My "limited experience" says that about 8 out of 10 times, the latter will "pussy-foot" the car, saving the dealership a tranny-replacement, excessive tire-wear and/or a few "curbed" rims from some inexperienced handling on the part of said doophus.

Whereas...

The little old lady that brought her 30K-something-original-owner '76 450SL in for "B Service" and needs some wheels so she can head down the street for her weekly "coffee clatch" and some joint-rub from her local apothecary. Leave that baby in "SPORT" mode and you might be hearing a new hit on the "TOP 40" stations about some little old lady showing off her "Star" on the Boulevard. Or not. :rolleyes:

From the dealership's perspective..."When in doubt, mush it out."

Now, if you know all about the buttons and what they do, have at it. But I would use extreme caution.

Since it's NOT my car (even though my insurance company DOES handle loaners), I like the way I'm CURRENTLY RATED. And I don't think I'd care to wear out the "good will" of the dealership if one of their employees just happened to see one of THEIR VEHICLEs doing doughnuts at the local High School parking lot after hours.

I currently have a lot of GW banked up at my local dealer where I have the S-10 serviced...anytime ( And I mean that LITERALLY! :grin: ) I bring in 'ol "326," and she's going to be there for a bit, they give me the keys to a loaner, no questions asked and I'm out and about in 30 minutes. And I've had their loaner, in a few cases, for over 5 days at a time. That one time, alone, I put over 1.2K on their odometer. But, I let them know that before they gave me the keys. I figured it was only fair and they were greatful that I let them in on it. And this courtesy, on their part, was extended when I brought in "Fausta" for a LOF. They had to order the filter (They got a MANN, just like I requested) and it took a day or two, but they gave me a new JEEP, off the lot. I did about 560 miles with that unit and I kept it under 60mph.. (I bet they scanned the truck after I got back since I was "breaking it in for them...it only had 79 miles on the odometer when I left the lot.) The proof was in the details.

And finally, I was taught at an early age "...always give back more/better than you received." I run every vehicle I'm allowed to drive through the "Wave-A-Wand," vaccuum it out and top it off...and when I lock it up and leave the keys in the drop-box (or with the Service Manager), I ALWAYS leave about a dollar or two worth of change in the console or drink holder hole...something for the lot-monkeys.

Some call it "Pay it forward" or Karma...I call it good manners.

Now, will I loan my babies out?

NO WAY! :grin: I don't know anyone's driving habits and attitudes. Even my kid's. And he'd be the last one on any of my pedals.

The dealership has bigger "stones" than I can afford.

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I dont think I have C and E buttons.

Andrew: I was referring to your signature... I assume you have a C- and E-class. :Wall:

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Yeah I have C and E class cars.

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On my 2006 C230 there is only the "Sport" or "Comfort" setting. It is on the console next to the shifter. I have no adjustment for firmness of ride.

I keep mine in Sport mode all of the time. It does not default to Comfort.

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I think the conclusion here is that the loner cars start out in comfort mode but I hope to God that this not true when you buy or lease the car. I keep my cars on sport mode all the time. The only time i use comfort is when it snows.

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Perhaps the loaners you're getting are set that way by the dealership or came programed that way from factory, although I don't have any idea what the reasoning behind doing that would be.

If you ask your dealer about it next time, let us know what he says, okay?

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David Brittain;189426 wrote:
Perhaps the loaners you're getting are set that way by the dealership or came programed that way from factory, although I don't have any idea what the reasoning behind doing that would be.

If you ask your dealer about it next time, let us know what he says, okay?

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The next time I go to the dealer I will ask. I just hope it not anytime soon.

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Ha, yeah, those little visits sometimes turn out to be pretty costly. :rolleyes:

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Yeah I know they can be costly but its interesting to go to the show room and not get presured into buying a car and just saying "im waiting for my car" or see the cars being worked on.

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I think there is some confusion here. The "S" and "C" ("S" and "W" previously) are not sport or comfort settings. They are settings that control the shift behavior of the transmission. The "S" mode is the normal setting and the transmission shifts normally, i.e. starts in first, normal reverse, normal shift points, etc. The "C" setting is for poor traction conditions. The transmission starts in second gear, actually has a higher reverse ratio, shift points are set to reduce torque. The idea is to reduce the chance of wheelspin. When they were "S" and "W" it was assumed to mean summer and winter. M-B has never explained the switch to "C". Most of the dealers don't have a clue either so they just say whatever comes to their mind at the moment. I didn't know the default could be programmed.

On some cars there is a separate Sport setting that controls the suspension and sometimes has effects on the ECU, i.e. quicker throttle response, etc. Most of the sport switches have a shock absorber symbol IIRC.

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Vince:

I believe you're right on the spot about that. My C230, however, is not that sophistacted. No adjustments other than S, which starts out in first gear, and C, starts out in second gear.

But then with the sport models, you've got rear wheel drive, speed rated summer tires, staggered widths from front to back and there's nothing that makes them competent in snow, ice, etc. That's why it sits in the garage during bad weather. Ha!

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"They are settings that control the shift behavior of the transmission. The "S" mode is the normal setting and the transmission shifts normally, i.e. starts in first, normal reverse, normal shift points, etc. The "C" setting is for poor traction conditions. The transmission starts in second gear, actually has a higher reverse ratio, shift points are set to reduce torque. The idea is to reduce the chance of wheelspin. When they were "S" and "W" it was assumed to mean summer and winter. M-B has never explained the switch to "C". "

I think you are right about this. It just sounds right. It makes sence. But the fact that the dealers have the modes programed I dont like.

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Andrew:

Yes, if that's the case with your dealer, I don't like it either. When I bought mine, the salesman told me always leave it in S mode, which I pretty much do. However, before I left with the car, he went completely through the computer progams on it and programmed it the way i wanted it.

I can do that myself now, but it was a great help when I first bought the car for the rep to take me through it and make sure it was how i wanted everything.

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Re: Comfort/Sport mode (Winter/Sport mode)

We had a rough winter here in SE Virginia and the C280 Sport managed to make it through OK. I have Bridgestone RE960AS fitted and it was drivable, although the ESP was working overtime. I think with proper winter tires and the electronic aids M-B are fine. Maybe not as competent as my VW Golf was on the same tire, but certainly drivable. Most folks don't want to go to the trouble of winter tires and wheels anymore.

I don't understand the fuss over the way the dealer programs their loaners. They are loaners guys. Just push the button.

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